I was stunned to get informed there was no fraud protection (yes people, you pay 60% cut and get no fraud protection). We've been there, even being "Squid Guild exclusive" for some time to test the experience ourselves for real, and after more than 10 years with all our experiences and stats in hand we can state without a doubt that the business model offered by Turbosquid doesn't pay off in the mid-long term. Besides how about your right to fair trade? I doubt the owner will say no to a hefty clump sum, no questions asked, in exchange for site keys and source. Next we would have the sales/customers feedback factor coming in to sort out the stores ranking. If they want free models then they can go elsewhere!!! its hard to run such a business so i hope cgtrader will survive in the future. "Even being a diamond doesnt seem to give me the benefits of sale coz TS takes so much from my sales (everyone's sale) that i would hardly call it profit or any acceptable income. At least some aspects of it. i like the points system on cg trader . I understand CGtrader's management don't want to bet on one horse but it probable lives the two horses crippled in this case. [url=http://www.google.com]google2[/url] This industry really needs a giant hub were al CGpeople (weather young and inexperienced ore diehard veterans) can communicate, learn, trade, fundraise and collaborate. I left all but . Fine details have been sculpted on the model down to pores and fine lines on the face and body. Dear adentonclark, Think about the best online stores today when people search for lamps on Amazon they will only find lamps in their search and that is why they keep buying on Amazon because it is a highly efficient and professional site where the buyers don't get lost or frustrated looking for what they want and can spend their time searching for the best quality product based on their budget. While this tactic worked very well at first and allowed to draw that many sellers in relatively short period of time, now it's time to think about buyers, as without them sellers will start to starve. And at the same time, if they periodically do something here, try to add something new, then the TS, as long as I remember it, does not particularly try to become convenient (But at the same time it takes most of the profit !!!). If you have any questions about these. http://rebloggy.com/post/art-copyright-turbosquid-infringement-kouotsu-ip-theft-kouotsu/34732573054 - Limiting free objects to, let's say licensed objects like Stars Wars or Lego or whatever in an unlimited number, but to a few when it comes to "showcase" objects, let's say, 4 to 5 per designer, to help potential buyer judge the overall quality of the seller objects On the other side, CGtrader empowers the real content creators, giving them all kind of freedom regarding their products and image, and encouraging communication between customers and content creators. Been over 17 years with TS. I wish someday Turbosquid disappear or bankrupt. Regarding sales, for me personally CGtrader is in lead with a small margin for almost 5 months in row now, I'm confident the difference will get even bigger (so let's be realistic Ts sales is dropping dramatically). You must create a huge hype and create things that are unique and that connect with people. ", Exactly, no one knows the model better than the one who made this model. In response he founded this place on the core principal that the artist would come first. [13google->http://www.google.com/] Luckily, non of my sells on TS were refunded so far and i had 3 refunds on CGT, 2 of them was caused by technical reasons from CGT side. It is a shame that cg trader has so few people using it but turbosquid has been going for some time now and is very well established. Often offer to buy the models in 1020 times more expensive than the price at which the model was exhibited for sale. CGtrader delivers the best basic structure to bring fort this new and healthy next gen market place. [http://www.google.com google5 ] Just uploading on turbosquid is a pain in the butt. CGtrader better is : Design,User friendly,royalties etc all better . I think we as sellers can do a lot to make cgtrader more interesting for buyers. There is other sellers that don't have any problem doing the same: My initial idea was that Ts had some clients that do not know anything outside of Ts. The age of 3D models is over and people have moved on to 3D printing. google3 Care to share your time machine? For this, it is certainly the most pleasant place to sell models I know right now. For small buyers this is likely the case, but serious corporate buyers may have other priorities atop of lowest price. I'm afraid the end of Ts is near and nothing can stop it, maybe the best they can do is raise royalty's to 80% for all sellers, but then again if they don't change the censorship policy's they are applying right now then it will probably not be enough to stop the downfall in the long run. I'm done with them. It might be a good idea to see what the customer experience is with various market places by making an experimental purchase at each and seeing who has the most effective methods of enticing return visits and encouraging word-of-mouth bumps. https://garagedoorrepairnewportnews.com/garage-door-spring-repair/, Hey, I still get more sales on TS, despite having adjusted all prices to compensate their extortions. In my experience often times a client will ask for certain models but then one must take into consideration what computer specs they have because you don't want your client to get frustrated with the models you buy. Thanks iterateCGI, from the start we thought it will be best to expose the issues publicly, so other cg 3D sellers can see for themselves what they are exposed to when dealing with Turbosquid. No matter how many 3D models you need, we'll take care of it. If a model you like does not have a suitable file format, be sure to see whether the designer offers free file conversions for the model. Personally, I will never sign up to exclusive contracts, others should always get chances to maybe offer better job if they can. I would like to see similar stats from other sellers, but CGtrader has been the 3D marketplace with the higher increase in sales for us without a doubt. How about the Royalty Rate??? The response back was, if they are not adjusted end of the week then we will adjust them. Ts would probably just pull up the royalty's and change policy if it stats feeling uncomfortable, but it would not change what is in memory. Maybe the home page should be a very simple page with only two huge buttons [CG models] and [3D Printing]. Is the same for me as everyone else. So, Ts will probably have a few thousand lawsuits to issue in following months if they like. Also could you elaborate on the search and going backwards issue? So let's hope that at some point, the designers of the site will establish some filters to guarantee a minimal quality and, why not, a "good practice charter" for the sellers, or that they will explain some sellers that their attitude is not good in the long term for the site credibility. I don't know if that is still the case ( and I have no desire to check ) but that is advertising that is hard to beat. Thanks for dropping by and great news about an eventual homepage re-design. @Supercigale, this is worrying to read, i think such things shouldn't happen. I sell my shipping container which is professional model according to my buyers reviews . They also have multiple sellers selling the same products so that it is easier for people to avoid people paying for shipping in their country. for someone that is a little more unique. This is a totally separate "operation" that is going on under the acquisitions of CGstudio and T3DFM, which serve also as noisy cover to "wag the dog". I'd rather look into ways to create my own site, cause it's a bit tedious to sift through neverending site rules from neverending projects. To my repliers: This is inherently due to the fact that computers are still very bad when it comes to optimization processes, human brains are far more superior in sorting out things. An important factor for many buyers is the possibility of cash transactions in the system WebMoney. I agree with the last post, searching for models should not be a pain. A client would normally ALWAYS choose a cheaper price, that's a law of nature. @IterateCGI These are great ideas and in fact we are currently working on one campaign that will involve the community to help market CGTrader better. Turbosquid just has it backwards. But they must realise that attracting more buyers only through more aggresive marketing is not enough. Downside at CGTrader is as i've just been informed from Support is NO you can't sell the licence here and transfer it into another users name. I think we just need so some massive killer models of epic proportions that the 3D modeling community cant ignore. You can change your subscription preferences at any time in the account settings. I believe this would solve the 'bad content mixed with the quality models' problem. However, the use is allowed if the MMO is a closed MMO, like World of Warcraft. It needs to be obvious where to go if you want one or the other. During all these years we always felt Turbosquid favored a sort of chaos and unfair competition between sellers because they were profiting a lot from that lack of understanding and cooperation between content creators. And if the buyer sees one and the same model on CGT and on TS, then the price will choose on CGTrader Doesnt matter the kind of kinky-dinky stuff the platform provides me. So if you think about that when we try selling just 3D models we are actually loosing a great deal of the market. The designers make a deal with each other and negotiate a percentage on the sales. That is why I like to use Apple as the example of preference. A few months went by with my models offline and during that time my GCt sales gradually went up at a level consistent with the few sales I had left behind on Ts so I just deleted all my models at Ts. This used to be the case in TS as well, but the issue is being solved, this will have to happen here on CGTrader as well. And some may post a part of a set, and ad a link to the complete set, others may just do it to spread their work and name, etc. At one hand I could think this was indeed evidence that Ts had some clients that do not know about CGt. I think I like the another item the modeler has created (Modern Villa), but that item is $40. CGtrader is more in line with modern economics and following the model of open participation businesses, all these things make it have the hallmarks of successfully serving a growing team with highly ambitious members and top talented achievers (and also stronger support of the CG community itself). - Limiting, perhaps, the number of objects that can be uploaded in a row, to avoid having the front page confiscated by a single seller when ticking the "newest" filter. I have to agree with Limonadinis on this without a good search engine function we loose many clients to Turbosquid. Site issues? In my personal opinion TS is working very hard towards buyers and exploits sellers as much as they can, well except few chosen ones, while CGT is taking great care about sellers, but leaving buyers somewhat aside. I started uploading some of my items to cg trader to see if it generated any income but as I have 70+ items and 0 sales I have decided to stop. So click on a category. The claim Turbosquid made was that it infringed on Games Workshop IPs. To be honest, when I first found this site a few days ago I was really excited. We all witness how bad it is for healthy competition and progress. Nice try. TS beside ripping off taxes have a terrible support, I just was told in the civilized manner to F OFF, as I complained on an admin who kept my 3D model suspended for over 4 days. High hopes for Cgtrader. just needs more publicity.. us designers need to market the site with our products at the rate one of my designs is going ill have more facebook likes/shares than the website itself has on one design To bad this place is ridiculously expensive, you only get 33% of your sales. I think I like the another item the modeler has created (Modern Villa), but that item is $40. As we think that CGtrader holds the best core for these kind of improvements, I would like to hear the opinion of Marius or any other CGtrader representative about the ideas recently proposed in this forum, specially: You know what is cgtrader but as firstcomer you must have strong impression that this is 3d printing site where you can buy new 3d printed iphone case which will be shipped to you. Better for who? Old thread but still relevant, do yourself a favour and cut back on the seafood, delete TS bookmarks and make progress here. Some while ago someone (if he is real, can't even verify that) bought my snakebot model on Ts and he posted a nice comment. @dafunk @S/C. At some point in the past both Turbosquid and The3DStudio had to get through a huge cleansing of their site and removed thousands of objects that were hampering their credibility. It is a wonder how people still haven't fixed bugs like that after so many years and it made the whole uploading process a total hassle. When someone uploads a scanned model for 3D printing and tags it as "low poly", the model will appear even where it shouldn't. It is also my favorite 3D site but some things need to be fixed before they can overtake some of the other sites. More specifically, the 3D Model may not be exported or sold. TS has more sales because : Contact your Shutterstock Customer Success Manager, + blend c4d xsi ma lwo 3ds dae dxf fbx obj X, + c4d unitypackage upk max ma c4d max ma fbx max, $10,000 in Legal Protection (Indemnification), Uncapped Legal Protection (Indemnification), $1,000,000 in Legal Protection (Indemnification), $250,000 in Legal Protection (Indemnification). In my understanding, for CG models, there are three main trends : large public with various expectations and low budget (roughly, poser people) ; professionals needing a good quality model quick and ready to pay for that (roughly, TS buyers), programmers wanting to create video games in search of game ready assets. I mean the good/bad rating left by buyers. Uploading new product is so much more intuitive and easier than TS.